Frequently Asked Questions - Fitting self steering to my boat

Fitting Mr. Vane to a boat with a negative transom or scoop would require a custom made bracket. This is possible but cannot be supported very well by Mister Vee.

The easiest solution is to choose Mister Vee Y&B, maybe combined with an extra mounting tube.

This system fits most transoms out of the box.

Hello
I have a Dufour Arpege in Uitdam, and it used to have a NAVIK self steering which is not functional anymore, so I was wondering if you could recommend a Mr Vane as a replacement?
I will also like to try and get the NAVIK functional for my other sailboat, so I was wondering if I could send you some pictures of all the parts I have for the NAVIK and maybe you can advise me if anything is missing or broken?
Many thanks
Adrian

Once set up correctly Mr. Vane would steer a Dufour Arpege just as well as Y&B.
However, mounting Mr. Vane to a reverse transom like the one on an Arpege would require a custom made bracket, which would involve quite complicated geometry.

This is why I do not recommend Mr. Vane for this kind of transom. Y&B is a much easier system to set up in this kind of situation.

Please do feel free to email me some pictures of the Navik, I'd gladly look for things out of the ordinary.

I am looking for a windvane selfsteering system for our Westerly Storm 33. The yacht has a short sugar scoop. The weith if the boat is about 5.5 tons. Will I be able to fit a Mr Vee steering system to this type of yacht?
Thank you
Martin

For a yacht with a scoop, I'd recommend Y&B, with an extra mounting tube.
That includes everything except some fasteners, 2 guideblocks and line to set up self steering. There are some images of this kind of mounting in the Mister Vee brochure, available from the download section.

Mijnheer, wij zouden graag een Mr. Vane aankopen en achter een aangehangen roer hangen, zoals op de foto in uw brochure bij een Kolibri 650. De prijs voor de windvaan is duidelijk, zijnde € 712, maar welke meerkosten voor de complete bevestiging. Het zeiljachtje bevind zich wel in Rusland, zodat btw hier niet dient betaald te worden. Met dank.

De prijs voor wat in die foto's de "Complete mounting kit" is bedraagt e 258,-- inclusief 21% btw, die voor zendingen buiten de EU nog in mindering wordt gebracht (ook op de genoemde 712,50.

Deze complete mounting kit is echter lastig om op afstand ondersteuning bij te geven.

Attentie: Zending naar Rusland is in het verleden lastig gebleken, graag controleer ik eerst uw adres om na te kunnen vragen of het mogelijk is.

Hi - I would like to set my Mister Vane away from the transom as per the photo on page 31 of your brochure. (I need to clear the solar panel and bimini mounted above the rear of the cockpit). What parts are used for such a mount ? I have ordered a BMK but not sure if this is sufficient. I suspect the BMK is as per the photo on page 19.
Thanks
Paul

The basic mounting kit contains all the parts to guide the steering lines up towards the top of the transom and forward towards the tiller.

Also parts to clamp the tubes to the top of the transom.

The parts list can be downloaded here:
www.windvaneselfsteering.com/file/0002%20BMK%20MrVane.pdf

I have a Newbridge Corribee, 6.32 m long, with Junk Rig. I think that the Mr Vane gear has been fitted to these boats. At present, there is a central outboard bracket. As I understand it, I can either move the engine bracket off to one side, so that the Mr Vane is fitted centrally, but it is also possible to have an offset arrangement for the Mr Vane.

If I remove the engine bracket and fit a Mr Vane, does it matter to which side I refit the engine bracket?

I live in the West of Ireland, so that I am right out into the Atlantic Ocean when I leave harbour. Is the Mr Vane gear rugged enough for ocean sailing?

Best regards

John McDonagh

The very first Mr. Vane from the test series (but still part prototype), was actually fitted to a Corribee with a central outboard engine.

Pictures of that mounting can currently be found here, in the manual for the test series:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3jvfhdq609ol82w/mv-mounting.pdf?dl=0

Geachte, kan uw standaard windvaan gemonteerd worden achter de spiegel van een Kolibri 700 of moeten er extra kosten voorzien worden. Met dank.

Als een boot is voorzien van aangehangen roer maar geen buitenboordmotor heeft dan is meestal alleen een extra mounting tube nodig.

Als er ook een buitenboormotor aanwezig is dan kan de puzzel wat complexer worden, soms is dan een custom vaanbasis (vane base) de eenvoudigste oplossing.

Hi,
Please take a look at my boat Viking 28 and advice if Mr. Vee self steering system is suitable for the boat and if I would need BMK mounting kit.
Specification of my boat are on the website:
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=663
Regards
Andrew

For A mounting on a negative transom, Mr Vane is not the easiest option.
The Basic mounting kit does not allow for mounting to this transom.

It would help in guiding the steering lines up and forward but you would still need to make a partial DIY solution.
I can only support you with answering questions but I can not provide any information to get started.

Ik stuurde onderstaande mail al eerder per, maar kreeg geen antwoord. Ik heb verder na gedacht over mijn vraag en nu heb ik een extra vraag. Ik wil graag weten of ik de clamps voor de spiegel kan omruilen voor clamps aan de preekstoel. En zo moet ik wat bijbetalen en hoeveel?
Beste Sven,
het is al bijna een jaar geleden dat ik de windvaanstuurinrichting bij je ophaalde. Door omstandigheden was ik afgelopen zomer niet meer in de gelegenheid de Y&B te monteren. Vandaag ben ik begonnen met kijken of het past.
Ik kom ongeveer 8 cm achter het roer uit. Dichterbij gaat niet, want de de hoek die de koppelstukken toestaan is maximaal 45 graden. Omdat ik de staanders van de achterpreekstoel gebruik, is daarmee de de kortste afstand bepaald. Volgens mij geeft dit geen problemen. De steunbuizen zijn hierdoor wat langer, maar niet overdreven veel. Mijn spiegel maakt een hoek van ongeveer 48 graden met de waterlijn. Daardoor maken de buizen die van de achterste buis naar de spiegel moeten gaan een hoek van ongeveer 34 graden. Ze moeten bovendien relatief lang zijn. Als ik echter de buizen aan de bovenste buis van mijn preekstoel zou maken, wordt de hoek 50 graden en de buizen kunnen een stuk korter zijn. Een ander voordeel is dat het demonteren simpeler is. Het systeem steekt normaal gesproken achter de boot uit en is daardoor kwetsbaar, mocht het voorkomen dat ik een lange tocht met veel sluizen ga maken, zou ik de inrichting kunnen demonteren. Ook voor de winteropslag is het een voordeel.
Mijn vraag: Stuit ik op technische of andere bezwaren als ik de achterste buizen aan de bovenbuis van mijn achterpreekstoel monteer?
Ik heb wat foto's ter verduidelijking bijgevoegd.
Alvast bedankt voor je hulp.
met vriendelijke groet,
Dee Zeeuw van der Laan

Is it suitable for beneteau first 42 built 1982?

Generally speaking, Y&B in combination with a wheel adapter should be able to steer this boat. For the negative transom an extra mounting tube is probably also needed.

my 20 ft. sailboat has a transom held rudder. do i want Mr. Vane or Y&B ? thank you.

For a boat with a transom hung rudder I recommend Y&B standard with an extra mounting tube.
This system has a mounting kit included that together with the extra mounting tube allows for mounting around and behind the rudder.

For fitting to smaller boats Y&B can be ordered with a short pendulum rudder, which is a free option.

I have been researching these wind vanes till my eyes are cross and my brain is fried. I tried looking at you site and you advise to move the swim ladder but you say the vane was designed for a centre motor, so I am confused. so here is my question. Is it worth me examining further your vane for a Catalina 36 with wheel, about 16,000 lbs with sugar scoop stern and center swim ladder? If this is a 'probably yes" I will look into it further.

The system that is advised for a centre motor is Mr. Vane, but that is for a centrally mounted outboard engine.

For a central swim ladder on a scoop Y&B standard + an extra mounting tube may work, but that depends on how the ladder deploys.
The blue boat on the Y&B product page has a telescopic slide out ladder:
https://windvaneselfsteering.com/YB-std

If the ladder has to swing up over the top before it passes the system, it will depend on how high the system can be mounted compared to the swing height of the ladder.

Greetings
I REALLY hope your self steering will work with my boat.....

I have a sailboat with outboard engine mounted to a vertically articulating hinge arrangement, at center of transom.
I noticed your mounting apparatus that accommodates a low mounted swim platform, and it gave me hope that self steering may still be possible without removing or relocating my existing engine.
What do I need to present to you to proceed with a decision as to whether your self steering will work?
Desired outcome: Maintain tilt arrangement of outboard engine.
Add self steering. Achieve self steering system with no problems between the engine and self steering.
Questions: Does this sound like something that will work? Will turbulence and thrust of engine damage/destroy blade of self steering/ cause other issues? Does/can water blade retract for engine operations?
Please indicate whether you can advise how to proceed. Thank you.

The Mr. Vane self steering system was designed to be mounted below and in front of an outboard engine fitted on a specific type of outboard bracket.

For this purpose, the vane mast can be fitted to the vane base off centre, allowing the engine to be lifted up (outboard bracket) and tilted (engine mechanism).

This can be seen in the Mister Vee brochure available from the download section.

If this does not suit the situation on your boat, please use send us an email to explain the situation.

Hello
Do you have experience of these units fitted to Mini650?
I am in the UK , North Essex, if you think your product would be suitable are there any localy I could inspect?
Regards

The mini 650 type of boat has the ability to plane.
This allows for big changes in speed with small wind speed increase, and that gives a big change in apparent wind direction.

This leads to a zig-zag course which is very unsatisfying.

This is why a windvane self steering system is not recommended for this type of boat.

My boat is a jeanneau sun shine 38, built 1986. I will be sailing her around the world and want to know if Mister Vee is right for me.

The mounting kit that is included with Y&B standard does allow for the kind of mounting a sugar scoop requires. From the pictures on the internet it is unclear if you would need just 1 extra mounting tube or more, the scoop seems to extend quite a bit.

If your boat has wheel steering, you would also need a wheel adapter. But if the boat has an option to connect the self steering system to an emergency tiller, that would be easier to realize and easier to use.

The emergency tiller would need to be about 30 cm/1' long and can point backwards if that makes things easier.

Sven, I'm getting ready to order a Y&B. Think I may be on the edge of needing an extra mounting tube. Top of transom to water at rest is about 30". Transom type 3 with approximately 16 degree angle, so it's about 8" from vertical at top of transom. What's your thoughts?

For the transom described in the question the single tube that is included with Y&B standard should be enough.
The Y&B vane base is about 200mm/8" long so the pendulum rudder will well behind the rear of the transom.

As long as the rudder does not stick out behind the transom, that distance should suffice.
If you like to examine these kinds of questions before contacting us, there is a drawing with dimensions in the download section of the website.

There is a veedeo available of mounting Stainless WALT, the predecessor of Y&B. It can be found on Youtube and the video section of this website.

The best advice would be to remove the ladder, then fit self steering, then find a new solution for the boarding the boat, either by relocating the old ladder or fitting a new one.

Trying to combine self steering with an existing ladder almost always means much more work to fit, less satisfying performance or use of the self steering system and more difficult use of the ladder.

The vane mast can be shortened by about 70 cm to suit a specific situation.

But just to state the obvious, the windvane still needs to get wind.

To reduce the height of the vane mast, the pushrod that runs inside the vane mast needs to be shortened. It comes in two pieces, to be glued by the customer. Best to leave that to be the last task, after assembly and installation.

The manual for using your Vee (and servo pendulum systems in general) can be found in the Mister Vee brochure in the download section.

The assembly manuals are available as PDF files. Access to these files is enabled when your system is shipped.
You need to be logged in to access them. They can be reached from a menu further down the website.

Your system comes pre-assembled. Final assembly normally takes about an hour in total. Watching the glue dry will take a day but you can do other stuff during that time too.

You may be wondering if windvane self steering will work on your boat. What weight will work, or what length?

Well, neither weight nor length are used as a general guideline.
Servo pendulum self steering systems were designed to take over the steering from a human helmsman. That means that the forces and movement that need to be generated by the system are comparable.
That leads to a two-part answer. If your boat has tiller steering, and the boat can be properly trimmed so that you do not have to fight the tiller to keep the boat on course, than a servo pendulum system like the ones on offer from Mister Vee should have no problem to do the same.
On a wheel steered boat there often is a reduction between the wheel and the rudder. If that reduction is too high it may be difficult or even impossible to set up self steering. However, if there is an option of connecting the self steering system to an emergency rudder, things get easier.
There is a separate FAQ about wheel steering.